Re: [Salon] Zelensky Says Ukraine Will ‘Not Recognize’ Upcoming US-Russia Talks



17feb25 – Alexandria

 

We should be ashamed of ourselves, abandoning Ukraine after three years of defending it against Russian aggression. We did, after all, defend Western Europe from Moscow for decades after 1945.

 

Putin invaded Ukraine, not because he was worried about expansion of NATO, which Eastern Europe wanted, not because the U.S. pushed it. He was over-confident that neither Europe nor the U.S. would resist. He was wrong, at least until 77 million Americans voted his puppet back into the White House. Now he has a chance to consolidate his control of a quarter of Ukraine while Drumpf tries to extort valuable metal and mineral concessions from what is left of Ukraine.

 

Isolationism, based on such a misreading of history and motivated by selfish domestic reasons such as cutting taxes for the wealthy rather than paying for our international duty, plays into the hands of our new Emperors Drumpf & MuskRat.

 

Paul Horne

 

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Since when do the people of a state not have to agree to third parties carving up its territories.  The Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact lasted 2 years.  I wonder if this one will  last a month.  


Edward
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 4:45 PM Jack Matlock via Salon <salon@listserve.com> wrote:

He doesn;t need ti agree,  Once we are out he can choose between losing even more or accepting the deal. If the Europeans couldn't save him with our help, they certainly cannot without it.

jfm

 


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Subject: [Salon] Zelensky Says Ukraine Will ‘Not Recognize’ Upcoming US-Russia Talks

 

 

Zelensky Says Ukraine Will ‘Not Recognize’ Upcoming US-Russia Talks

The Ukrainian leader said his country was not invited to participate in the talks, which will take place in Saudi Arabia

by Dave DeCamp

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Monday that Ukraine will “not recognize” upcoming talks between the US and Russia and denied that his country was invited to participate.

“Ukraine will not accept. Ukraine knew nothing about this. And Ukraine regards any negotiations about Ukraine without Ukraine as having no results,” Zelensky told reporters while visiting the UAE.

The Kremlin has confirmed the peace talks with the US will be held in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday. The negotiations will involve high-level Russian and American officials, including Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

Zelensky denied claims from US officials that Ukraine was invited. “Ukraine will not take part in the negotiations. Ukraine did not know they were planned. And the visit to the region was planned long before the US decided to meet Russia there,” he said.

Rubio arrived in Saudi Arabia on Monday, and he is expected to be joined by US National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and Steve Witkoff, President Trump’s Middle East envoy who has been involved in some diplomacy with Russia. Lavrov will be joined by Yury Ushakov, an aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Zelensky has said that European countries should be involved in the talks, but that idea has been rejected by both the US and Russia. Lavrov said Monday that most European leaders aren’t interested in peace.

“I don’t know what they could do at the negotiating table. If their aim is to cunningly extract a deceptive truce while secretly preparing for continued war—true to their habits and nature—then why invite them at all?” Lavrov said, according to Russia’s TASS news agency.

While it’s still unclear how the war will end, the Trump administration’s policy toward Russia is a dramatic shift from the Biden administration, which essentially cut off high-level contacts with Moscow after the Russian invasion of Ukraine despite the risk of nuclear war.


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